Question on springer builds.....

[whipperag]

Yea, the front might be off a Kawasaki but I'm like you It's been so long I can't remember.
I don't work on mine either. I've never changed a bearing a sprocket or a chain since Godzilla was built.
It's been 6 yrs or more. .
I've been telling everyone for years how trouble free the drive train is after you put a springer kit on.
I don't do much of anything to my springers but wash them and put gas in them. Their all ready or go in a moments notice. .

[WFO]

the rears are the blue springs you gave me because of the engine and trans in one place , too heavy. the fronts are different, they are longer than the center, i measured them. sooooo now i don't know what you gave me. 

[whipperag]

hey Whipper weren't the ones on the front of GOLIATH from a kawasaki sidexside and the rears are 200 lb coils on a rhino rear shock.
but you get the point SARgo1. they have to be short enough and stout

No they were all front shocks remember we had to buy after market heavier springs for the front.
I don,t think alum side plates will work, they would have or be twice as thick and a lot harder to work. With. Watch some of the under car videos and you can see the side plate flex.

Whipper

[WFO]

on mine the front coils are slightly larger and the total length is a 1/2 longer than the rest. the centers are stock rhinos the rears are rhinos with a 200 lb coil if I'm not mistaken. its been awhile since I've looked at them because they NEVER BREAK.

[George]

You need to Weigh your machine fully loaded and then divide by 8 . That way you get a close spring rate. But also figure more rate in the front due to engine and tranny !

I have the pre-load set higher on the front (even though the tranny and engine are in the rear) because the front sees the most action. With an Argo, you might need stiffer springs because of all that weight.

[wedge]

You need to Weigh your machine fully loaded and then divide by 8 . That way you get a close spring rate. But also figure more rate in the front due to engine and tranny !

[SARgo1]

The shocks are off the front of the old rangers and Rino's.
Very hard to find now. You might be able to buy them new, but remember you need 6 of them.
Good luck.

Whipper

Thanks!

But I'll need 8 of them....lol!

Also, what are your sideplates made from?

steel or aluminum?

I'm thinking aluminum for mine, from a weight concern as much as anything else.....

Truthefully, it's more about what spring rates I should be looking at for the weight. This gives me a baseline to start from.

[WFO]

hey Whipper weren't the ones on the front of GOLIATH from a kawasaki sidexside and the rears are 200 lb coils on a rhino rear shock.
but you get the point SARgo1. they have to be short enough and stout

[whipperag]

The shocks are off the front of the old rangers and Rino's.
Very hard to find now. You might be able to buy them new, but remember you need 6 of them.
Good luck.

Whipper

[wedge]

You can PM wipperag as he will know what to use.

[SARgo1]

So, anyone want to share where the shocks are sourced from?

Building the rest isn't a big problem for me....just time and money.

[wedge]

Got ya. Thanks for the update !

[George]

What ever happen to Copper Head George ?
You don't see much out of him ??

Just like everybody else in the hobby, JBF has a bunch of projects. Right now the focus has been on the A-stock racing. I've retired the Apache from racing, Marc was never interested in racing the Copperhead. The springer class has become too fast and competition is a bit blood thirsty. It's just too expensive to risk the damaged caused by frequent collisions....but man was it fun racing the springer. 

[wedge]

What ever happen to Copper Head George ?
You don't see much out of him ??

[George]

yes inner and outer joints are v.w the rest is custom. inner and outer axles splined are custom, side plates custom fit . the main thing you need to do is figure out how to mount the suspension, on a side plate or individual to each wheel, you will have to have room on the inside to run supports from side to side to keep it all in line and true. WHIPPER SPENT A FEW YEARS ON PROTOTYPES TO GET HIS RIGHT, soooooo its not going to be easy but possible. Im not sure but the other site may still have my build documented

Here's some video of a springer running with tracks.