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General Category => MAX: Talk pertaining to Max ATV => Topic started by: Argo8x8 on September 26, 2023, 04:27:11 PM
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New MAX is it going to last or just a dream?
The guy in FL is wanting to take your money for a new Max, all this without anything concrete, just talk and a website.
What are your thoughts Dream or for real?
Give us your thoughts and reasons for your thoughts
Jeff Bar
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Jeff
I think its just a dream, who in their right mind would pay that much for a new 50 year old 6x6 design, so many cool
offerings today in the off road word. Even the current ARGO machines are light years ahead of the old MAX design with crappy
shifting, poor chain adjusters, small bearings that have to be replaced often, axles that bead, all to go with a back breaking ride.
Sure the new company is supping thicker seats, Ha ha......
5k$ for a nice used one or restored one, to go out an mess with, is cool. But 16K (remember tax) is just plain dreaming. Sure
they will sell a few, but in the long run. " Another one bites the dust"
Just my opinion popcorn
Phillip
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While a max return sounds great I agree being back an old design from an old company who went out of business sounds like a poor business direction. While
I would love to see a new MAX machine, it needs to be a completely new design, not a redone old sub-par design.
As Phillip said "Sure they will sell a few", I would never consider buying one, more than likely they will go belly up in no time, or just loose a lot of money.
I seem to remember this start up, wanted investors, while I am not very wealthy I do have some funds available for investments, there is no way
I would ever invest in this venture.
Dave Evans
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Hey guys, I'm happy to chime in here since I'm "the guy from Florida with a pipe-dream" that's apparently going to fail...
First, I'd like to thank you for supporting the 6x6 community ::)
It's very clear that you have no understanding on the amount of work that goes into manufacturing, let alone a vehicle. Contrary to what you may think, most of the MAX 2 components are not off-the-shelf. While there are off-the-shelf parts that do fit on the MAX, they are either not an exact match or an inferior part. For example, I ordered 600 inner bearings and flanges for the MAX 2 two months ago, and I will be receiving them in mid-December. Doesn't sound like the same thing as me going to Tractor Supply or Grainger, does it..?
The path of least resistance to relaunching MAX again is to start with the most successful MAX - the MAX 2. I don't really care about your opinions and feedback that comes from online forms. I am basing all of my business decisions based on 43 years of historical sales data as I have ALL of Recreatives' sales records of vehicles and parts, dealer records, supplier/vendor records, engineering drawings, etc going back to 1969. I am led to believe that will carry more weight than comments on 6x6Talk from a few speculators.
Here's my thoughts if this is a dream or for real:
1. We recently moved into our new factory building, a brand new 8,000 sq. ft. facility
2. We are a publicly-traded company and in the final stages of registering a stock offering to raise $15,000,000 to go full-scale with MAX and modernize the entire line-up
3. I have personally ordered 50 vehicles worth of chassis and all fabricated parts, which will be arriving in November.
4. I have ordered 300 axles and enough sprockets for 50 MAX 2's, which will come in the first week of December.
5. I have delivered the MAX 2 molds to our vendor in Georgia and ordered 80 MAX 2's worth of plastic bodies in new colors, which they will begin forming the first week of November once they receive our shipment of plastic
6. I have 35 T-20 transmissions worth of components that will be arriving by mid-December.
7. We redesigned a new internal muffler, which we had new tooling made for and has been tested. These are entering production next month.
8. We have had new tooling made for T20 parts, brake caliper parts, the muffler, new fuel tank mold to match the old tank, among other tooling.
And there's much more that I don't feel like taking the time to list.
It takes MONTHS to get new tooling made, get samples, test the samples, then it takes months to order production quantities of parts. For example, I ordered 300 axles and sprockets for 50 MAX 2's in mid-July, and they are arriving in early December. That's a LOT of $$$$ to lay out for that long, and that's just axles and sprockets!
Maybe you guys should pause, take a second, and actually think about what I'm saying goes into launching a vehicle into production.
I'm not pretending to be some business guru, but my existing business is in retail, which I grew from nothing to $5+ million a year within 4 years. I've been a die hard enthusiast of MAX my whole life, and I know how to analyze businesses, and I was quite pleased with the opportunity I saw when I was performing due diligence on MAX before we acquired it.
Redesigning MAX from the ground up properly would require MILLIONS of dollars in engineering and R&D. Who in their right mind thinks that's the best way to RELAUNCH a company that has been shut down for almost 10 years? Why wouldn't you just start your own company.
We're relaunching the MAX 2 largely how it was in 2013, we are using TRIED AND PROVEN designs that we know won't fail as soon as a customer gets the vehicle, it keeps the start-ups costs down as we don't need to invest in expensive engineering and R&D, and we will be able to offer parts for the thousands of existing MAX 2s that are already out there.
If you all ever have questions, you can call the MAX phone number 800-255-2511 and personally talk to me anytime. But c'mon, let's leave the bashing and division in the community to the side.
Also, regarding our price, we are actually coming in LOWER than a 2013 MAX 2 23hp with a Roll Bar if you consider inflation thanks to our commander-in-chief. The fact that I am able to relaunch the MAX 2 from the ground up and come in cheaper than an Argo with the 23hp EFI, and include a roll bar in that is actually pretty freaking amazing, since I've figured out how to compete against a company that builds 2,000+ ATVs a year, mostly above $20k, and fighting inflation the same time.
And Recreatives didn't shut down because of an inferior product or lack of sales contrary to what some people may assume. I can assure you that lol.
So for all you naysayers...
If you want an Argo, go get an Argo. If you want to buy a MAX and support a company that's now controlled by a life-long 6x6 enthusiast who actually has material developments in the works to bring MAX back on a large scale and dominate the 6x6 market in the coming years by growing the MAX line in a way Recreatives didn't have the motivation to, then we'd love the support!
Right now I'm anticipating to have 2-3 vehicles built prior to Christmas, and if everything we have on order arrives in time with no issues, then we begin building new vehicles and fulling orders for new vehicles starting the first week in January.
Oh, and we have had many dealer inquiries - honestly enough dealers have reached out to take all 50 vehicles... so we will be signing on a few select dealers we are already in discussions with as a pilot program so we can also sell vehicles factory-direct to customers as well.
I do plan on running a special on new pre-orders in November/December for the whole Black Friday/Holiday shoppers out there. If people want to see the finished vehicle before ordering a vehicle, then that's cool too.
Call me during the weekdays if you have any questions about the new MAX, or parts, or our stock, or any questions in general about the company. I'm happy to talk MAX and answer any questions!
Regards,
Andrew Lapp, CEO
Recreatives Industries, Inc.
www.maxatvs.com
800-255-2511
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Wow; To everyone themselves.
I still think its a Dream
Or you are just looking for a pat on the back?
Phillip
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hey Andy do you have any newer complete t-20s avail
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Wow; To everyone themselves.
I still think its a Dream
Or you are just looking for a pat on the back?
Phillip
Yep I'm living the dream :))
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hey Andy do you have any newer complete t-20s avail
Hey WFO, we should have all of the parts in stock by the first or second week of December. We will probably have a small handful of T20s built by Christmas, but we aren't going to start full production until after the holidays.
If you need any parts or looking for a new T20, call us anytime and I'll be happy to work out a deal with you.
Andy
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Hey we do agree: Yes you are dreaming.
Phillip
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Why do you care so much what I do?
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I believe it is a good thing to revive the Max line and wish you all the Best Andy!
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Looking forward to see what you bring to the table!
Andy.
Are you going to sell newer upper tops?
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Thank you John and Grim! We are pretty excited as we are only a few weeks away from building the first 2024 MAX 2 models.
Regarding bodies, we will sell black upper and black lower bodies to existing MAX owners (we are no longer producing tan).
The new green and blue colors we are offering for uppers, lowers, and floorboards are reserved for new vehicle production as the colors are unique to the new generation of MAX vehicles.
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This is awesome news. I hope this will be a huge success. It would be great to have a virtual celebration.
I have spent time on the website. It is already a unique vehicle. I really like some of the changes that have been made. In my mind, it is now an greatly improved vehicle. If I were AndyL, I would be very proud of the changes he has made. New improved parts, new changes, new functionality. Wow. It is a MaxII+. A few more things I am sure he has planned and it will be a MaxII++!!
There is only goodness than can come of this re-start. It has inspired me to start to work on the long term restoration of my Max IV that I have owned since new. It was used hard and put up wet. It should be finished this week. I intend to take it to Vintage Days in Ohio this year. That is overwhelming a motor cycle show, but other unique vehicles show up. I am hoping my MaxIV will have great interest. I will enthusiastically tell them about MaxATV.com.
And I do thank the stalwarts like Richard that have kept this machine alive.
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Thank you Chief!
We have bigger plans for the MAX 2 and of course the MAX 4 and Buffalo when we release those (hopefully in early 2025). But we need time (and money) to do things properly. Upon speaking with previous management at Recreatives, the MAX 2 was the best vehicle to put back into production first for multiple reasons, so that is why we did that.
As a fellow enthusiast as well, I'm thankful for the handful of folks have supplied parts over the years that MAX was shut down. That has kept these vehicles running, which has kept people interested in them - all of which played a role in pursuing to bring the MAX back.
Now there is a new generation of ATV riders that know nothing about MAX or even Argo! ;D
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Not giving credit where credit is due, Richard Clark has kept the MAX going, and your dreams.
I still say not too many people are going to buy a new 50 year old machine, time will tell. Ha ha....
Jeff Bar
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why would I buy an argo or whatever at those prices when a max is just as good
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Not giving credit where credit is due, Richard Clark has kept the MAX going, and your dreams.
I still say not too many people are going to buy a new 50 year old machine, time will tell. Ha ha....
Jeff Bar
You have no idea how stupid everything in this post sounds lol. It's going to age well real quick popcorn
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never seen an argo or others do this
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Where's all the new machines? Ha ha........Anyone buying a. new 50 year old design is nuts, FB is full for 3500$ mint condition MAX's. You may sell a few to fools.
Jeff Bar
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OBAMANOMICS was the first round now its OBIDENOMICS