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6x6 Technical Questions => Technical questions about amphibious ATV's => Topic started by: snaps10 on May 08, 2018, 08:19:30 PM

Title: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: snaps10 on May 08, 2018, 08:19:30 PM
My daughter came up to me shortly after taking off for a drive on the farm and said the maxII was squeaking. I went out to check and discovered this.
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I’ve dreaded changing out bearings or axles, guess now is the time. Is there any bearings recommended over others? 

What’s the easiest way for the middle bearings?  I’ve noticed none of the how-to videos mention chain removal, am I to leave the chains on while removing the axles?
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: Model Citizen on May 08, 2018, 09:01:50 PM
Your daughter is going to be a big help finding the bugs. A lot of people might hear a squeak & just let it go, but she brought it to your attention.  :)  This video should help you. Since you have to change one, check them all. There may be more going bad other than the obvious one. When it comes to bearings, you get what you pay for.
Yes, the chain has to be taken off.

https://vimeo.com/19103106
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: snaps10 on May 09, 2018, 12:57:45 PM
I don’t know if I want to watch that video. It will just give me even more springer envy!!!!
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: Model Citizen on May 09, 2018, 07:15:28 PM
Haven't had to change a bearing but maybe 2 times on any of our machines. Other than my Max, I can't remember the other one.  :-\ But even springered, they have to be changed the same way.  :) Having a slidehammer helps a BUNCH.  ;D
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: snaps10 on May 15, 2018, 02:03:01 PM
3 bearings on the way. Figured since I have to pull the chains I may as well replace the front and rear. Pulling the body will give me the excuse to drop my fuel tank in the rear and cut out the rear part of the tub. One day I’ll actually drive it more than work on it I’m sure.
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: snaps10 on May 25, 2018, 12:11:58 PM
Well, pulled the wheel off, took the bolt out of the axle and sprockets and pulled the whole dang thing out easy as could be. Never pulled the chains or anything. Took my time cleaning it well and sealing then went to reassemble. I cut a piece of 1” square stock to fit between the sprocket and the frame for support since it was just hanging by chains and gently tapped the axle in. Went smooth as I could imagine. Only a 3 Coors Light and 1 pair of Levi’s job.

I only replaced the one since I didn’t want to push my luck.

Greased everything else and it’s running well.
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: snaps10 on June 04, 2018, 11:38:18 AM
When I went through and greased all of my bearings 4 of them shot grease out between the carriers on the first pump of grease. Should I split and reseal each of the carriers?
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: whipperag on June 05, 2018, 09:27:21 PM
The grease very rarely gets where it's suppose to go.
It is suppose to go into that little hole in the OD of the bearing.
Even if you line up the zert fitting with the hole I don't think the grease will go into
the hole.
About all you can do is pump lots of grease in it to fill the void between the bearing
and the flanges, that will help slow down the water from coming in when your floating.
The mud and gunk will surely fill that little oil hole in no time.
Keep plenty of bearings in your tool bag. banana banana banana banana
 dance dance dance dance dance dance
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: whipperag on June 05, 2018, 09:48:03 PM
Or you can get the ultimate Bearings and never screw around with any of this crap. kik kik
WFO knows.
 dance dance dance dance
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: snaps10 on June 11, 2018, 08:45:12 PM
Or you can get the ultimate Bearings and never screw around with any of this crap. kik kik
WFO knows.
 dance dance dance dance

Wish I could, 2 kids need braces at the same time. Ive downgraded to Busch light.
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: rider on June 12, 2018, 04:21:19 PM
The grease very rarely gets where it's suppose to go.
It is suppose to go into that little hole in the OD of the bearing.
Even if you line up the zert fitting with the hole I don't think the grease will go into
the hole.
About all you can do is pump lots of grease in it to fill the void between the bearing
and the flanges, that will help slow down the water from coming in when your floating.
The mud and gunk will surely fill that little oil hole in no time.
Keep plenty of bearings in your tool bag. banana banana banana banana
 dance dance dance dance dance dance


The grease hole is on the wrong side of that bearing, if the grease hole is on the fitting side and both flanges are not wore and bearing is installed straight they should take grease proper and last many hours.
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Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: wedge on June 12, 2018, 04:47:48 PM
Always good to spin them as you grease them also. I do mine at an Idle on a Stand that way you get the grease all the way around the bearing. But Lining up the Holes is always a good idea  ;)
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: snaps10 on June 14, 2018, 11:15:00 AM
Always good to spin them as you grease them also. I do mine at an Idle on a Stand that way you get the grease all the way around the bearing. But Lining up the Holes is always a good idea  ;)
Genius

I’m thinking I either have a bent axle right at that bearing, or it’s not in straight, thought it seemed to be straight and took plenty of grease when I put it in. There is a bounce to my rig and I can’t find it. I’ve watched all of the wheels while at idle and none appear to be bent, shouldn’t have flat spots in the tires, and I can see some axle between the new bearing and the lock collar. Don’t know how that would be unless it bent right at the point where the collar meets the bearing?
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: snaps10 on July 22, 2018, 11:06:16 PM
The old bearing was all cracked up at the locking ring. I chalked it up to weak metal and replaced it with a spare. Now there’s a gap between the new one after 2 days of riding. Am I locking them incorrectly?  I’m doing it as I see on the videos. Also, the axle was straight as an arrow when I pulled it last time.
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: Dw89xj on July 23, 2018, 10:24:55 AM
The old bearing was all cracked up at the locking ring. I chalked it up to weak metal and replaced it with a spare. Now there’s a gap between the new one after 2 days of riding. Am I locking them incorrectly?  I’m doing it as I see on the videos. Also, the axle was straight as an arrow when I pulled it last time.
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      I watched a video on the other site awhile back, I thought he said something about putting the lock collars on so as your driving it would force them tighter if you got against anything. Righty tighty on left side and tighten counter clockwise on the right side. Not sure if this helps may need to just tap it a bit tighter when installing? Let us know what you figure out, hope you don't need an axle.
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: snaps10 on October 25, 2018, 02:56:19 PM
I’ve now redone the bearing 4 times and every time it slips out about 1/2” within a couple miles of driving. I’ve tried locking the collar both ways, locking it on super hard and rechecked it constantly. Don’t know what’s going on, unless they sent me the wrong bearings. The collar is locking hard against the axle, but I don’t see what keeps it locked onto the bearing side. I don’t see any taper that would keep the two together, or is it just the friction between the collar and the axle?
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: Argo8x8 on October 25, 2018, 04:06:13 PM
That's an easy one, look at Richard fine old site ROUTE6x6.com. there is a section on it called HOW TO
Lots of great info there, I have linked you the Locking Collar section for you.  tp  Jeff Bar

You should always by good bearings not farm store or discount house bearings as they are crap.

http://route6x6.com/howto/bearing/index.html (http://route6x6.com/howto/bearing/index.html)
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: snaps10 on October 25, 2018, 09:51:46 PM
That's an easy one, look at Richard fine old site ROUTE6x6.com. there is a section on it called HOW TO
Lots of great info there, I have linked you the Locking Collar section for you.  tp  Jeff Bar

You should always by good bearings not farm store or discount house bearings as they are crap.

http://route6x6.com/howto/bearing/index.html (http://route6x6.com/howto/bearing/index.html)


Yup. Did all of that. 4 times on two different bearing sets. Still slips out. They are from buffalo bearings, was recommended to me from a few people.
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: Tbone9 on October 25, 2018, 11:11:55 PM
I’ve had lots of trouble with the lock collars too. I switched to the set screw type and had way better luck.
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: snaps10 on October 25, 2018, 11:28:16 PM
I’ve had lots of trouble with the lock collars too. I switched to the set screw type and had way better luck.

Where does one acquire those?
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: Roadwolf on October 26, 2018, 06:19:10 AM
Sorry to say buffalo bearings are crap, buy better bearings

Phillip LA Osborn
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: Tbone9 on October 26, 2018, 10:44:45 AM
I get the set screw type from Buffalo Bearings. 
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: rider on October 26, 2018, 07:31:07 PM
That's an easy one, look at Richard fine old site ROUTE6x6.com. there is a section on it called HOW TO
Lots of great info there, I have linked you the Locking Collar section for you.  tp  Jeff Bar

You should always by good bearings not farm store or discount house bearings as they are crap.

http://route6x6.com/howto/bearing/index.html (http://route6x6.com/howto/bearing/index.html)


Yup. Did all of that. 4 times on two different bearing sets. Still slips out. They are from buffalo bearings, was recommended to me from a few people.


My opinion, pull the axle aftef marking where bearing and collar should ride, put a micrometer on there. Had a few too warn to be able to tighten properly.
Title: Re: Let’s talk bearings
Post by: snaps10 on October 27, 2018, 03:26:11 PM
That's an easy one, look at Richard fine old site ROUTE6x6.com. there is a section on it called HOW TO
Lots of great info there, I have linked you the Locking Collar section for you.  tp  Jeff Bar

You should always by good bearings not farm store or discount house bearings as they are crap.

http://route6x6.com/howto/bearing/index.html (http://route6x6.com/howto/bearing/index.html)


Yup. Did all of that. 4 times on two different bearing sets. Still slips out. They are from buffalo bearings, was recommended to me from a few people.


My opinion, pull the axle aftef marking where bearing and collar should ride, put a micrometer on there. Had a few too warn to be able to tighten properly.
This may be it actually.  Would make sense, the axle has some fitting and rust that i lightly sanded off.  The rig doesn't appear to be used much though, was just left to rot for a while.  I'll get one on and see.